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Post Picking/choosing colors and textures..
I probably should have asked about this sooner, but better late than never. 2 things.. the first is that after my ideogram..I move the pen close to begin my S2 data, I usually start getting colors first before textures. I have been forcing myself to list textures first (per the DVDs). could it be that colors naturaly come first to me and I should just go with that, or stick to recommended structure?
2nd.... when I start listing text/color/smell/taste/temp it's like there is a "cloud" of words in my mind and instead of picking and choosing which are the best.. .i think i have been just listing everything in that cloud. Seems like I should be checking which ones are actually the ones I want. Am I making any sense? Any help appreciated. I need to hammer out whatever I can before my one-on-one in a few weeks.
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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
1. Actually, colors do manifest first, but we force textures up front as a substitute for ideogram decoding.

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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
Good. I'd much rather do that than ideogram decoding. A lot easier.


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Decoding is fraught with dangers. That is why it was abandoned.

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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
May I ask why decoding needed a substitute at all, why the reversed order was chosen to replace it, and what is the rationale in the first place of forcing an order against the primordial sense we're working so hard to unbury?

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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
(pertaining to the decoding process)

It's common to produce multiple or composite ideograms, which represent different aspects at the site. Trying to untangle these can be problematic and lead to error, especially if you're trying to use ideograms during analysis.

Another problem can occur when you actually touch the ideogram line (during the decoding process). It's similar to opening a novel and picking one sentence to get a synopsis of the story, which can also cause user error.

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You would need a firm understanding of the (unnatural) decoding process to effectively grasp my answer.

The entire RV structure is ordered, and was streamlined and rearranged over the years to become more effective -- same as any other system (except government).

Feel free to experiment, however, or create your own system.

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The mere mention of government saves me several rounds of caffeine infusions, lol

I wasn't asking to change anything, just some background information (always helps me memorize better). I understand that unfolding the entire development process of the protocol is beyond the scope of this place.

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Let's get together for a few days on my next pass through your homeland, and I'll try to data dump all that I have learned and know about S1 upon your weary RV head.

And if, at that time, you could manage to to scrounge up some ethanol (in any form), it would serve to greatly enhance both my memory and explication.

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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
Hello Everyone: I love the dvds and am appreciative of the help you give on these forums.

I am a painter and so the colors that come up immediately are sometimes of the very odd names that I know of from studying and integrating colors. For example, once when I prompted for a texture, the word "bluebell" jumped in, I wrote it down as an aol, and it turned out that the person in the target was wearing that certain shade of purplish-blue. And it came in while I was prompting for texture. Another time the word "salmon" came in while I was prompting for texture, and I did the same thing, marked it as an aol, and later saw that it was a building with a door that was that shade of orange that I am familiar with as "salmon". Also, at no point did I feel that it was salmon as a noun or bluebell as a noun. I knew that it was colors, but I thought my training is to discipline myself to stay within category. I feel like this is a silly question, but since all training in some fashion may involve "unlearning what you have learned", should I be trying to focus on just using the color descriptors on the list, and try not to use these complex colors that I have already integrated into my memory banks? :) Any input would be appreciated, thank you.

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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
Wean yourself off of the S2 checklist as soon as you're able. (Only after memorizing 'dimensions,' however). The list is there simply to jumpstart training -- tantamount to training wheels. And never use it in S4, after DVD1! S4 entries must be spontaneous.

Tangentially speaking, my repertoire of colors is so-so, and I've sometimes found myself coming up with S2s of 'magenta' or 'mauve,' but had no knowledge of their placement on the color wheel. I had only heard or read of the words. That was good enough for my unconscious and the Matrix, though.

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I'm sorry, I don't know whether to call you Mr. Dames or Major Dames, but thank you for your prompt reply. And thank you very much for your service to our country, sir (more importantly :) )

-Sharon


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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
kfa wrote:
May I ask why decoding needed a substitute at all,


The Major has explained why decoding was eliminated in the Master Tips DVD and in many a workshop. In essence, the S2[Site] is decoding but without the errors generated by decoding an ideogram.

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why the reversed order was chosen to replace it, and what is the rationale in the first place of forcing an order against the primordial sense we're working so hard to unbury?


Because the "primordial sense" works against you.

The human eye can see a candle from up to 50 miles away in the blackness of night. Forcing your unconscious to "touch" the target first instead of just "look" at it from a distance arguably moves you into theta faster and reduces AOL manifestation from the animalistic mind. All animals with sight have evolved to make quick decisions based off of visual information. As the aperture is so small that early into the session, the analytical mind furiously tries to fill in the blanks to determine whether the fight or flight response is required. Thus concentration on "sight" first spawns AOL-drive.

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Post Re: Picking/choosing colors and textures..
I see, thank you very much. Yes, visuals often cause a short circuit especially in the early stage. Just knew I'd be missing out on good bits until I get a copy of the Master Tips.

I remember having laid out a line of reasoning why I thought touch must go first in response to someone's question quite a while ago. Was suggesting it is because the sense of touch is the oldest in evolution (hence "primordial") and the first we develop and use beginning in embryonic stage, and thus it also remains first in terms of "immediateness". I can't find the post right now, but it had received a note of approval from the Major.

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I doubt many villagers wait for the tiger to bite them before reacting. We are well past the paramecium, amoeba, worms, and coral, on the evolutionary ladder.

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Where I work we have a (now rare) real human skeleton. The forehead has a distinct and steep backward slope. This is often perceived as a distinctive male trait that defines our placement on the evolutionary ladder. Instantiated when Also Sprach Zarathustra

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