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Post Stage 6 Percepts
I've done a lot of sessions however, I've only attempted Stage 6 maybe twice because I don't fully understand it. I tried it a few days ago, but the entire session was off so it didn't do me any good.

Anyway, I wanted to try again today.

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I was blind to everything but the cue I knew it was Name / next perlustration of http://www.japantimes.co.jp / first most significant image discerned / target reference

Target was:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/images/phot ... 823h1a.jpg

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"Oendan" (supporters) for Saga Kita High School celebrate the team's five-run attack in the bottom of the eighth inning during Wednesday's final of the National High School Championship against Koryo High School of Hiroshima at Koshien Stadium. Saga Kita won 5-4, clinching its first national title.


( I didn't even know if it had images I just picked the site from a list haha )

I went into session I knew I had semi- decent target contact and I explored a structure on my ST ( from the top of [ 1 ] SSBP ) I went to S1 S2 S3 analytical sketch and S4.

I then took a new page numbered it and wrote S6[ 1 ] and just started drawing. I was trying to feel where the lines should be ect, but I wasn't focused as much on drawing ( as you can see ) because I found I could get slows streams of data about the structure. Coming in like a broken up sentence as there was a small delay between each word ( hard to explain ) anyway, I didn't know what to do with it so I wrote it off to the side, vertically.

So my questions are should I perceive things when drawing in S6 ? And what can I do with it?


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You'll need two sheets of paper: one is your S6 worksheet (the one that you draw upon) and the other is a S6 template, upon which you write the newly arising word-ideas. The S6 template has the same columns as the S4 template.

If you are working with modelling compound, instead of a S6 worksheet, you'll require the S6 template, as well.

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Alright, that seems simple enough. Thank you Ed I will keep practicing.


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Ed, I have been doing pretty good with regaurd to getting descriptive data for my S6 matricies, but my sketches need some improvment though. Is it within the methodology to assemble multiple S6 Sketches and Matricies into a more detailed Site- Template of sorts when I get good enough to sketch accuratly?


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You do not sketch in S6, you draw. And, yes, the data is additive, but only from session to session. In other words, do not homestead S6 within a single session. About 10 minutes is reasonably safe, after the 40-minute time-on-target requirement.

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Ed Dames wrote:
And, yes, the data is additive, but only from session to session. In other words, do not homestead S6 within a single session.


I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand 'homestead' in this context: what does it mean for the S6 data to be additive only from session to session?

Do you mean for us to work S6 only once per uninterrupted session (only once between each break)?

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Yes, once per session, not to exceed 10 minutes. Note: do not attempt S6 until after completion of LearnRV DVD 4.

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Post Re: Stage 6 Percepts
Ed, I am trying to find the instructions for the S6? I can not find the instructions anywhere. Can you direct me to a link that has the step by step instructions for this part of the session? Thanks, markfrano


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I use Stage 6 in a slightly different way.

Here's a real simple way to use S6 Prompts:

After a page of Stage 4 data, last 1/3, near the bottom, I add a few simple Stage 6 prompts: (you have to have these prompts ready to go, do not try to think while in a session about what would by the appropriate prompts, and therefore engage your thinking brain, so have a general list ready like below...)

I use the following:

[S6 Target purpose] draw a line under it and place my pen under the line and record the data

[S6 Target condition]
[S6 Target location]
[S6 Target used for]

[S6 Target size]
[S6 Target age]

I have often found these to be very accurate and therefore useful.

Last week I did [S6 Target Location] and wrote "Gila River" and target was the "Kitka River". Granted different continents but similar two syllables words and definitely a "river"....

Hope that helps. Alex


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We have to bracket?


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See here for S4 aspects:
S6- Person/Face

It is the same for S6 but don't write S6 into the brackets but instead on the top of the page (or beginning of the stage)

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I simply write:

S6 Target Location (and underline it, i don't bracket it, but I don't think it matters)
place my pen under the prompt, and write the answer. Perhaps one or two percepts and then I move on to the next. S6 Target Purpose, S6 Target condition, etc.


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Use higher-level prompts if you want exact info. Correct S6 procedure will be outlined on an upcoming LearnRV DVD.

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Correct S6 procedure will be outlined on an upcoming LearnRV DVD.

Nice! How soon will this be available for purchase?

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I'll check with the producers.

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I use Stage 6 in a slightly different way.

Here's a real simple way to use S6 Prompts:

After a page of Stage 4 data, last 1/3, near the bottom, I add a few simple Stage 6 prompts: (you have to have these prompts ready to go, do not try to think while in a session about what would by the appropriate prompts, and therefore engage your thinking brain, so have a general list ready like below...)

I use the following:

[S6 Target purpose] draw a line under it and place my pen under the line and record the data

[S6 Target condition]
[S6 Target location]
[S6 Target used for]

[S6 Target size]
[S6 Target age]

I have often found these to be very accurate and therefore useful.

Last week I did [S6 Target Location] and wrote "Gila River" and target was the "Kitka River". Granted different continents but similar two syllables words and definitely a "river"....

Hope that helps. Alex


Alex,

It does help.
That was about a year ago. Do you still use or stand by this "slightly different way"?

After recording the data under [S6 Target purpose] do you then draw another line under the next prompt and collect data and continue as above (drawing each line one by one)?

Is Ed OK with this way?

Thanks.


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Post Re: Stage 6 Percepts
The standard rule of thumb applies: At least 40 minutes time-on-target, and no more than 10 minutes in S6, regardless of the type of S6 tool applied -- but never initiate S6 prior to completion of a site template!

(I will cover S6 in detail at the next Advanced RV Skills workshop)

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Great.
Got it.
And what a fast reply.
Thanks Ed.






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Hi,

Question for the Major: In the intro. DVDs, you've stated that we must take a break after 45 minutes to rest our bodies; and I usually do this after the penultimate S4. But if we can only go into S6 AFTER this amount of time on target, what should we do?

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Not clear?

Okay, what if we break during session and don't have a contiguous 40 minutes on target. Is it productive to go into S6 under these conditions?

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Here's what I suggest. Do 40 minutes before you do the S6 for 5 minutes.
Total 45 minutes. Problem solved. We're not baking a cake here.

As for the non-continuity, I would still do the S6 if the session break was not too long (i.e. it is the same day). But that's just my current thought and I would like to hear from more experienced RVers.

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40 minutes in all, not necessarily 40 min at once... although, longer time on target the better. Upon resuming, you will need to do the appropriate prompt though. Ed(or some reliable source) said this somewhere before. I will look it up.


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Thanks for the clarity guys!
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