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Author:  mindscape [ Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:15 am ]
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hi, instead of using a image pair in a H-ARV question, could I use latt/long values instead for each image...

Author:  kfa [ Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:42 am ]
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Guess you could pioneer to try this out, if you use coordinates of two very different locations. If those coordinates are what you want to find out, then you're thinking the wrong way.

Author:  kocmodpom [ Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:03 pm ]
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Honestly, I don't understand at all the strong aversion to just printing pairs out. It isn't that expensive using a service like snapfish. I have paid a total of $8 for 150 color 4x6 prints over the last 6 months.

Author:  mindscape [ Sun Nov 28, 2010 2:33 pm ]
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kocmodpom, its just my mind is sick of images, resulting in 'displacement'... I'm just trying to connect more with the target via google earth...

Author:  kocmodpom [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:38 am ]
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Using google earth for pairs will not solve the problem. Try understanding the source of the problem before applying a medication to treat the symptoms.

Author:  Raptor [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:21 pm ]
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Before ordering photos I want to know if noise can occur using pairs already marked with different TRNs other than for the HARV cue.

Author:  Dan Ellis [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:01 pm ]
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Hello Raptor, I must redact my previous advice as I experienced a temporary lapse in reason in fully comprehending your question. Better to fix it, than leave it. The way I reason your question is : Would a photograph that has an affixed TRN on it, then forever be bound to the TRN and cue ? The answer to your question, in my opinion, would be a no...You may use the same photograph for differing session work, and be free of noise as long as we use fresh and different TRN's and cue's. Order away... And I apologize for the mix up. Dan

Author:  Dan Ellis [ Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:08 am ]
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Hi Raptor, Given with what I stated above, I personally cannot rule out bleed-through issue's when like images, with different TRN's are used in our work. I must consider for our purpose's here, that when a photograph has physical TRN's written on it, that, and are tied to a cue, it then becomes plausible in my opinion, that/the information becomes fixed in the Matrix. I hate to double redact, but for the record, I do. Use fresh and novel images when you can get them. What do you think Raptor ? Merry Christmas ! Dan

Author:  Raptor [ Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:33 pm ]
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Okay, will do. Thanks Ellis. That's safest.

Author:  kocmodpom [ Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:33 pm ]
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mindscape wrote:
kocmodpom, its just my mind is sick of images, resulting in 'displacement'... I'm just trying to connect more with the target via google earth...


Displacement is not the same as target morphing. They are two distinctly different and mostly unrelated phenomena. Perhaps you could be more specific as to the problem you have chosen to call "displacement"?

Author:  ChrisPennsylvania [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:04 am ]
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kocmodpom wrote:
Honestly, I don't understand at all the strong aversion to just printing pairs out. It isn't that expensive using a service like snapfish. I have paid a total of $8 for 150 color 4x6 prints over the last 6 months.



Are you sourcing the pictures from Nat Geo online? Today I watched the RVFM disc. It was my first exposure to H-ARV.

Author:  kocmodpom [ Wed Jul 06, 2011 1:37 am ]
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Yes, I get them from National Geographic.

Author:  ChrisPennsylvania [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:30 pm ]
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kocmodpom wrote:
Yes, I get them from National Geographic.


As a follow up, I used pictures at this link:

http://photography.nationalgeographic.c ... y/archive/

I printed/ordered 129 of them in order to start a pool of pictures to use for H-ARV sessions. The resolution was low on most of them. I can use 41 of them. Is that enough in your opinion?

Also, would it be ok if I were to post any H-ARV sessions on here for review if I leave out the cue? I know the cue is proprietary and cannot be posted here or anywhere else.

Thank you.

Author:  kocmodpom [ Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:22 pm ]
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That many will probably work for the first 5 sessions, then you will start to really guess which is next. Oh yea, you will probably be guessing on the first few as well. Try it and you will get a better feel for it. I am up to 150+ pairs now.

You can always get the wallpaper version of them at higher resolution, then crop off the description at the bottom

Author:  richardg [ Thu May 22, 2014 11:27 pm ]
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Your responses have been most generous on this forum, kocmodpom. Thank you.
Concerning the photo pairs on the FM disk, the quality for best results is not clear to me. I see offers on ebay for a complete set of all years for National Geographic on DVD. Would these be advisable to use? Or would it be better to buy someones collection of 100 to 300 magazines and cut with scissors? Should those smaller photos than be scotch taped to 8 1/2x11 copy paper with the TRN on the copy paper with an arrow to the appropriate object on the photo or should the TRN be on the photo itself?
Kocmodpom, you mentioned a printing service you used, but I didn't understand how the source of your pictures traveled from the initial photo site to your computer or however you received it. How important is the connection on this route from the original image to the paper photo in my hand/envelope? Would it be good to take a 35mm film camera out and take photos of every useable scene that I see over a few weeks time?, which would make all the s4 AI's mine, as the photographer. Would that degrade photo quality as a frontloaded component? Would a 600 dpi printout on plain copy paper be just as usable as a photo quality print on glossy photo paper?
My goal is 500 photos/ 250 pairs. In the past I have been so distracted by trying to guess what the photo is because it was front loaded so I would be more confident to avoid this AOL by going into overkill on quantity for FOREX work.
If I can complete a quality package I would like to send them on to anyone who wants them next since I can only use them once.
Thanks, anybody who can help me along on this.

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