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Author:  vøøđøø [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Assuming you performed all the 'mechanics' correctly/precisely including the cue, and that you irrefutably NAILED the target reference photo WAY beyond the realm of chance, but the target reference photo was assigned to the LOSING team and not the winning team as per the cue, and that this phenominon has happened SEVERAL times, how would you diagnose these mysterious outcomes for professional sporting events that have clear-cut winners (with no possibility of a tie)?

I am providing this limited information purposefully, as I want the input back to me to be blind, and not influenced by my own suspisions. I DO have a hypothesis for why this may be happening, but I would like to get uninhibited external input first prior to any disclosure..thx -v

Author:  Brett Stuart [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Best bet, your unconscious is trying to tell you something.

Author:  RVRobot [ Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

We call this a clear miss. Professionals have found a handful of causes and solutions for this problem, but we're not going give away all of our hard work (for free) ;)

Trial and error. Track as many metrics as you can to help your troubleshooting. Employ RV to identify root causes.

I've said too much already.

Author:  kocmodpom [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:34 am ]
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There are even additional factors in play that most pros don't even know about.

Author:  Nabasta [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:58 am ]
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This is the reason that most people work in teams correct? If the majority of the viewers nail the same outcome, you bet on it? Imagine the power that you would have if you got 30+ viewers working together! The very prospect sends shivers up my spine :)

Author:  kocmodpom [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

You don't need 30 viewers unless you are trying to make up for a poor understanding of all RV factors.

Try cuing the cause and source of your "wrong answer."

Run it a few times blind, and your eyes will be opened. Seriously, if something doesn't work suspect the following:

1. The cue is bad.
2. The viewer is bad.
3. The risk management is bad.

"Mathematics of Options Trading" by Reehl can fix the third one.

Author:  Chartless [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Sometimes it is just as simple as one of the target reference sites being much more interesting than the other for some reason.

Author:  vøøđøø [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Thanks for the very broad & rich input guys, and also for going beyond the question and providing some troubleshooting tips…helps a lot actually.

That said, this brings me to a question about my hypothesis, which of course was supplemented with knowledge of myself & my behavioral patterns…

Let’s say my subconscious pain/pleasure algorithms are such that my subconscious wants to SABOTAGE financial success in lieu of a perceived ‘net betterment’ (which remains undisclosed to the conscious). Now, if all the mechanics of cueing & viewing are performed ‘properly’, and the subconscious accurately pulls the requested information, I almost get the sense it may be saying, “Hmmm…nice try…you must really think I’m stupid – here, play THIS team…”

So the question is, with RV, will the overriding pain/pleasure algorithms of the subconscious TRUMP the requested information after wising up, in such a way that it runs it through a filter AFTER it’s received, and spits out information to the conscious in such a way that it intentionally ‘tricks’ the conscious, thereby successfully executing another sabotage? (All this of course for the ‘greater good’ of the subconsciously perceived ‘net betterment’). Now, if it’s going to filter the feedback after wising up to the ploys of the conscious, then I imagine one would no doubt have to target the ROOT of this behavior if they consciously plan on having long-term success with RVing for financial (or any) gain (as was hinted at in the above replies)..

Very curious to know if there is concrete, established record of subconscious sabotage (in any area) overruling the pulled cue feedback such that it manipulates it according to IT’S agenda, and not the CUE’s agenda..

Thanks again.. -v

Author:  kocmodpom [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

RV in general cannot override self-sabotage/self-limitation. Just like the guy who believed it was impossible to RV future events, he failed at every future session blind due to his belief system formed from his social/parental/religious conditioning.

If you are one who, for example, first thought, "What? You can actually RV future events accurately?" Then you probably have at least a partial block as that conditioning is causing you to question the obvious.

How good are you at purging belief systems?

Get it over with. View the cause of the failure, otherwise you are just throwing darts.

Author:  RVRobot [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Voodoo, rather than trying to do an end run around self-sabotage, perhaps you ought to consider trying to rewire the process that causes it.

Author:  kocmodpom [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Voodoo needs to run the sessions to determine the cause of the problem before taking any other action.

No sense in taking chemotherapy if you don't have cancer. Diagnosis first, then treatment.

Why not post the session and feedback photos for a second look. You don't have to tell us the association, that might bias.

Did you wait 24 hours before analysis?

Author:  jayvee [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

kocmodpom wrote:
Try cuing the cause and source of your "wrong answer."


Need help trying to figure out how to pinpoint and solve this aspect of the problem with regard to faulty cue.

1. Modify cue
2. Supplement original cue (TRN?) with qualifiers-wrong answer/(cause/source)

Can a TRN ever be used in a cue, has this ever been done? Help anyone!

Author:  kocmodpom [ Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Try.

Author:  jayvee [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

kocmodpom wrote:
Try.


LOL! Should've known to expect that one. Rest assured I will be trying as soon as I come across this problem. Thanks for the lesson Kocmo.

Author:  Chartless [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

"There is no 'try.' There is only do or do not."

Image

Author:  Chartless [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

I'm sure it's either a case of mistaken identity... or a case of vermouth.

Author:  Ed Dames [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

Master, forgive me -- with all humbleness, 'goathouse' is a single word.

But, forsooth, how could this possibly be? How could a perfect(ed), complete(d), universal being err to this degree? All of my core beliefs have now perforce been called into question...

Alas and alack, could I have actually been mislead, all this time?

Please aver that this is actually not 'the real you,' Master:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRP6egIEABk

Author:  Chartless [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:35 am ]
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I am what I am and that's all that I am.

Author:  Brett Stuart [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:40 am ]
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Ed said "bro."

All is lost.

Author:  Ed Dames [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:52 am ]
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Oops...I meant, 'partner.'

Author:  JessieT [ Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:21 pm ]
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I'll have what they're having!

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=i%27ll+have+what+she%27s+having&aq=f

Author:  kocmodpom [ Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

You probably won't. Most issues are specific to the individual and must be overcome on a case by case basis.

The appropriate attack stratagem was previously outlined in this post. Oddly this seems to be a "threshold" event. Unless you are advanced enough as a remote viewer capable of uncovering the individualistic root causes for yourself, you will most likely be incapable of implementing the solution.

Most people who discover the personal cause often spend months in denial.

Author:  Ed Dames [ Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Team

I hate that 'self discovery' element! What's so difficult about my higher mind + the Matrix just dumping out a winning team, lottery number, etc.? With everything that we know about RV, it should be simple. It's high time to show higher mind who's boss. After all, isn't that why God installed my ego?

(Reminds me of how a British army officer, whom I once went drinking with, described his commander: "A condom on the prick of progress")

Author:  Ed Dames [ Fri Dec 30, 2011 7:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Te

The 'Rosetta effect' is a key ('up close and personal' element) in this context. If one cannot recognize and accept its presence (and ultimate purpose), then ARV will perennially and consistently crash and burn you. Earlier, I suggested such to comrade kosmodrome, who vanguards a parallel ARV task force assult approach to the sports betting 'problem.' It would appear that both he and RVRobot (perhaps kfa, as well) encountered this syndrome and discovered how to cope with/accommodate it -- a learning curve segment experience which was, most probably, less than orgiastic.

The Matrix is a teacher -- well, at least it's become my teacher - and I've discovered that humility (f*** that s***; I hate it) serves one supremely well in its classroom. Consider, if you will, taking that advice from a bloke who has had to be dragged kicking and screaming from grade to grade, hallway to hallway, RV schoolyard to schoolyard for almost three decades. Nevertheless, mama didn't raise no fool...

Major Doom

Author:  Ed Dames [ Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Target Nailed, But Reference Photo Assigned to LOSING Te

Erudite, valuable thoughts, Herr Shellback. (Tangentially, I remain amazed at your near-mastery of English).

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