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Author:  JayBird [ Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:36 pm ]
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TRN [ 8855 / 8014 ]

PHOTO FEEDBACK BELOW





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Author:  JayBird [ Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:05 am ]
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0T wrote:
my s.t. has...
ei-concerned
i- advanced, tough, theft
ai-wonderful
fast motion arrow of diagonal-down vector
and side-to-side

possibilities i put under my analysis section-
assasination/weapon test/ sports event/ mining

no back-up sessions done, nor element explorations

chow


Sounds like a hit.

Would love to see the ST. There is more to this photo than meets the eye.

The photo is a cut of a "roswell-rod" following some clif divers. The divers free-fall into a cave as a sport then parachute to safety. The rods seem to follow the divers. The divers were cut out of the photo. The object in the photo it is said can only be caught in high speed film. National Geographic currently also caught some of these rods coming out of and into water.

Anyone wanting to front load this target as a topical search are welcome.

Author:  Neferimy [ Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:17 pm ]
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I got such a strange ST for this one, I just wish the picture was much more clearer

Author:  cofoedu [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:28 pm ]
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Here's what I got..




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Author:  MultiLnV [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:51 pm ]
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Cofoedu, it is probably best not to write on the other side of the paper, you are, presumably, susceptible to perceiving things written / drawn on the other side.

Moreover, you need to write From the top of [X] ssbp, or [A] ect. What DVD are you on now?

Maybe it is just me, but it is hard for me to read most of the elements of your Site Template, but it does look like you were on target a bit.

Author:  cofoedu [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:25 pm ]
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Hi,

Thanks for the advice, I will bear that in mind.

In this instance however this did not occur. The reason I have ghosting ,was caused by the scanner. I stapled the pages together to keep them together, and as I folded them to scan a page at atime, the scanner picked up the other pages behind, I guess because of the bright light it uses, and the sheets being thin white and all..

However You are right I think..
Thanks for the positive advice :)

Author:  MultiLnV [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:27 pm ]
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I did this two years ago, when I was a horrible viewer, but I got similar things as you and mine is really hard to read 8) , but if you look at my St, we have similar shapes.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=2383&p=14165&hilit=Rods#p14165

Edit: Stapled pages? Okay then you did not mess up.

Once you hit DVD 2 you will want to stop writing the headings like Textures and colors in Stage 2. Just write them down in the correct order without the heading. By having to memorize the structure and order of things you keep your mind busy. Additionally, you will want to put S3 analaytical on its on page.

Author:  cofoedu [ Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:54 pm ]
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Hi, again

Yeah we got similar shapes.. cool to know I was on the right course..

Your writing was terrible then... lol.. Are you a doctor or lawyer ?

I guess there's hope for me also..
:)

I will definately try your suggestion of no titles on S2.. sounds good

Author:  MultiLnV [ Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:49 pm ]
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Your writing was terrible then... lol.. Are you a doctor or lawyer ?


Sadly, no.

Author:  zorg [ Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:06 pm ]
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I tried to post an image but it didn't work. Open the link below instead.
I am a beginner, and this was my first full session after watching DVD1. I broke the rules by drawing two freehand sketches because on the first one, I felt like I was holding my hand back so the sketch would not be too messy. On the second one (labeled "freehand"), I let my hand go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33064276@N07/

Author:  JayBird [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:12 am ]
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zorg wrote:
I tried to post an image but it didn't work. Open the link below instead.
I am a beginner, and this was my first full session after watching DVD1. I broke the rules by drawing two freehand sketches because on the first one, I felt like I was holding my hand back so the sketch would not be too messy. On the second one (labeled "freehand"), I let my hand go.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33064276@N07/


I can see you have good site contact, you intuitively know what is at the site, in FREEHAND express what is there almost diagrammatically. This is not automatic writing. Express it but NO details leaving it as ambiguous as possible (extract details later).

Don't just let your hand flop around like a fish on the paper, something is there at the site, express it without detail. Please review the dvd. I watched them over and over again. You will learn something new each time.

You seem to have FOCUS, now just learn to follow protocol. You will do well.

Keep up the good work zorg.

Author:  zorg [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:25 pm ]
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Thank you for the feedback. During the freehand sketch, should I try to use certain shapes (archetypes?) and not just draw randomly? From what DVD1 said, I should draw without thinking, which is what I tried to do.
Thanks!

Author:  Ed Dames [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:16 am ]
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Nererimy,

Prithee, what difference do you think that a 'clearer picture' would make? In this case, it would certainly make no difference re. RV data.

Author:  JayBird [ Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:56 am ]
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zorg wrote:
Thank you for the feedback. During the freehand sketch, should I try to use certain shapes (archetypes?) and not just draw randomly? From what DVD1 said, I should draw without thinking, which is what I tried to do.
Thanks!

zorg,
You misunderstood,
No thinking just like the dvd said, just observe and record. You seem to have good site contact, observe what is at the site and represent it in the freehand as ambiguously as possible. Only 15 seconds.

Author:  capjaneway [ Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:23 pm ]
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Wow... so interesting.

From the beginning I got UFO, Moon, that sort of thing, but I AOLed it immediately.

My ST clearly is a forest, with a round object slowly moving overhead, spiraling slowly.
Wait... I'd better scan the ST....
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Author:  kfa [ Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:35 pm ]
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Here is my attempt (I opt for the PDF format, if that's ok), with just having finished DVD 1 (i.e. no T/I columns yet):

http://kfabel.de/rv/8855-8014.pdf

Felt a bit hasted maybe, hasn't been easy here lately to find some peace and quiet without someone crashing in and going "whaddayadoing".

Author:  JayBird [ Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:07 pm ]
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unless you want to keep drawing the table you are working on, i would suggest keeping your freehand labels directly on the aspect, do not put it on the side with a line. Draw it big if you have to but place it on a line of your aspect, not next to it or in it on empty space.

You can still get data but proper labels are a much more accurate way to get your data.

Author:  kfa [ Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:50 pm ]
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Thanks! Think I've forgotten this before ;)

That rectangular thing isn't the table though, I perceived some kind of simple-shaped object floating in or on a medium, AOL was first a block of wood and later a barge. Guess I also was desperate to find more than one site aspect. Instinct told me there was none, but instead of listening I pulled a horizon and a sun out of the hat.

Author:  wormwood [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:55 pm ]
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Aha! you've left out the other feedback context that was available.

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The photo is a cut of a "roswell-rod" following some clif divers. The divers free-fall into a cave as a sport then parachute to safety. The rods seem to follow the divers. The divers were cut out of the photo. The object in the photo it is said can only be caught in high speed film. National Geographic currently also caught some of these rods coming out of and into water.


I had the sense of water with persons below rocking/rowing/floating and one person above "clinging". Lot's of water noise, lots of water sounds. I wanted there to be somebody "up in a tree"...

Off target, but the ambience/context was right. On S2 "AOL-worm"

Is this what happens when one does not draw the line from the TRN to the "thing" in the picture that is the TARGET?

Author:  JayBird [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:48 pm ]
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That is an issue that will fix itself with practice. We try to avoid lines if possible to train the mind to hit focus of the camera. Lines will pull only details of an item. In this case, if the line only touched the wavy part, that is the data you would receive.

If you would like commentary in the future, please post your work.

Keep up the training.

Author:  wormwood [ Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:45 pm ]
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Thank you JayBird for the posted target.

Scanner is snipping the top of my scans... and the darned bottom...

Posted for your consideration:

S1-S2 Pg 1
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S3 Pg 2
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FTTO [X] SSBP Pg 3
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S3[X] Pg 4
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S4[X] Pg 5
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FTTO [A] SSPB S1-S2 Pg 6
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S3[A] Pg 7
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S4[A] Pg 8
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S/T + Summary Pg 9
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Author:  Pael [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:50 pm ]
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Purpose of posting my session: structure, rigor

I can't see the picture feedback. But I've gotten similar things compared to other sessions such as the big heavy wooden block thing. And a moist wet area. And a down curved hanging thing that is thin and light. And it was damcold... SUH.
kfa, thats a good idea. Post the sessions through a pdf file. How do you do that?

p.1
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p.2
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p.3
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p.4
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p.5
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p.6
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p.7
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p.8
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p.9
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Author:  JayBird [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:11 pm ]
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I have reset the image file, if any of my targets do not show up, feel free to message me so i can fix it.

Author:  Pael [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:37 pm ]
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oh. I see. Shouldn't you have drawn a line to the target? The TRNs are on the trees so in result, the whole area is the target.

So.. um.
I'm trying to determine when it's a good time to attempt a S6. So, If my structure is fine, how rigorous is it? Speaking of more advanced structure/rigor, I hear that the more S6s you do, the better you connect to signal line.
But only one S6 per break (Assuming that 'break' is after S4), and to spend about 10 minutes tops for S6, correct?
(ref: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2521) scroll to the bottom

Author:  JayBird [ Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:49 pm ]
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Keep up with the data in S2, writing faster or slower to keep up with it; in time you will find the rate you recieve data. This will cause more AOL but just declare it and move on. Make sure you are dropping your pen after aol.

You may now start putting your S3 on it's own separate page.

Spend more time in S4, put data there as it comes to you (no special order like in S2).

ST-draw lines from your labels to your drawing to clarify any ambiguous labels.

End your session like this:

END OF SESSION
TRN (for administrative use)
date
time
signature


Make sure you OWN the end of session or you will drag data into your next session.

Keep up the good work.

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