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I've been away for 3 weeks on holiday and now am back practising RV.
At the beginning of the 2nd DVD the tangibles and intangibles are discussed, but I'm not sure I understood it right.

Any info/tips would be very much appreciated. Thx.

For the moment I understand that tangibles can be something you can touch, for instance small parts of [X ], [A],[B], or[C] of the site or just simply parts of [X ], [A],[B], or[C] of the site.
Is this right ?

Could you then for instance describe intangibles by "the untouchable" aspect of [X ], [A],[B], or[C] ? I mean like the purpose of [X ], [A],[B], or[C] ?
I noticed on this board that some wrote feelings or asthetics under this column, but for me any feelings of the site should go under AI or EI and any adjectives should go under the 2 first colums.

Am I far off ?


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At the beginning of the 2nd DVD the tangibles and intangibles are discussed, but I'm not sure I understood it right.

Watch that section a few more times.

The sample below shows which words go where in a S4. You can see that in this sample the listed tangibles are nouns, and the intangibles are adjectives, and adverbs.
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Thank you rvtd, your example is very clear.
However, wouldn't you also place the purpose of your [X ], [A],[B], or[C] under the intangible column as well ? I understand now the describing adjectives are placed here, but as one of the words in your example says "flowering" it makes me think that a flowers purpose is to flower.
Just to make sure I understood it right.
I also intend to watch the DVD several times exactly as I did with the 1st one.
Thank you ! :)


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However, wouldn't you also place the purpose of your [X ], [A],[B], or[C] under the intangible column as well? I understand now the describing adjectives are placed here, but as one of the words in your example says "flowering" it makes me think that a flowers purpose is to flower.

Words that describe a purpose, or function can go in the intangible column. Be careful not to think that you know the word is describing a function, or purpose of a aspect while in a session.

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Post Re: Tangible / intangible ?
This assignment from kocmodpom helped me a lot when I was in a similar situation:


kocmodpom wrote:
How about a homework assignment?

First, goto the Longman dictionary and define the words tangible and intangible. Then make a list of 25 tangibles and 25 intangibles and post them here for review.

An example follows:

T: Library -> I: Knowledge, Information, Categorized, Arranged, Stacked, Public


Here's the full thread:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7438&hilit=dictionary


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Thanks for the tip cypherks !
I don't have access to the Longman dictionary because I live in a country where English is not one of the official languages. I understand exactly what you mean by this exercise though. I have a huge dictionary in French (Le petit robert) and an English Harrap's dictionary I bought in London. I can ofcourse use these for the same exercise during the following days.
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Hi again !
I did as Cypherks suggested. I found the definitions from 2 dictionaries and wrote a few examples of tangibles and intangibles. I didn't do the full 25 as I'd like to spend more time with the 2nd DVD instead.
I poste my work here and could any of the experienced RVers please check my work? Thank you ! I appreciate this forum very much !

My work:

The definition of tangible :
Collins English thesaurus :
actual, concrete, corporeal, definite, discernible, evident, manifest, material, objective, palpable, perceptible, physical, positive, real, solid, substantial, tactile, touchable.

Longman English Dictionary online:
1 clear enough or definite enough to be easily seen or noticed
2 tangible assets/property, property such as buildings, equipment etc
3 technical if something is tangible, you can touch or feel it

The definition of intangible :
Collins English thesaurus :
airy, dim, elusive, ethereal, evanescent, impalpable, imperceptible, incorporeal, indefinite, invisible, shadowy, unreal, unsubstantial, vague

Longman English Dictionary online:
1 an intangible quality or feeling is difficult to describe exactly: “The island has an intangible quality of holiness”.
2 intangible things have value but do not exist physically - used in business: “ intangible assets such as customer goodwill”.

Examples:
T: House I: homey, cosy, lovely, welcoming, peaceful, nice,
decorated, clean, airy, tidy, old, new
T: Car I: powerful, mechanical, comfortable, expensive, cheap,
engineering, design,
T: School I: private, public, education, noisy, mathematics, playtime,
lunch hour, exams,
T: Dog I: trained, dogshow, competition, well groomed, active,
in shape, big eyed, waggly tailed, lovely, pure bred,
short haired, well exercised, greedy eater,
T: Garden I: greenery, fresh air, leafy, windy, gardening, flowery,
sunny, planted,
T: Church I: religious, dogmatic, philosophic, beliefs, holy, devoted,
reverence, catholic, Mass, prayer, hymn, spiritual, political
T: Handbag I: fashionable, colourful, stylish, elegant, personal,
feminine, valuable,
T: Bank I: client friendly, opening hours, investment advice,
secured, alarmed, robbed,
T: Hospital I: medical, health care, surgical, nursed, recovered, illness,
treated, healing, curing, sterile,
T: Computer I: programmed, operated, analysed, internet, electronic,
virus proofed, personal, connected, skype, facebook,


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At the beginning of the 2nd DVD the tangibles and intangibles are discussed, but I'm not sure I understood it right.

You now know what tangibles, and intangibles are. You'll soon learn where to place phrases in a S4.

Enjoy the second DVD!

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Post Re: Tangible / intangible ?
Also, if I may add, tangibles won't necessarily always be such high-level ideas as to specifically name a part of your target. They may (and often are) descriptors such as 'thing', 'object', 'machine', 'stone', 'metal', etc.. What I'm saying is that tangibles combined with intangibles will usually point you in the direction of what, specifically, something is. For example:

T - thing, plastic, metal
I - purpose, electronic, transaction, finance

may indicate an ATM machine. In S4, even though your contact with an element is getting stronger, you're probably safer declaring and dissipating ATM as AOL if the thought occurs. If the raw supporting data is there, you can start naming specific things during analysis / postulate formation (covered on DVD 3). Hopefully that will help.

And if I've overstepped my bounds, I'd welcome a smack upside the head by a pro, and the deletion of this post.

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Quite the contrary. Your precociousness is recognized and your input appreciated.

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Post Re: Tangible / intangible ?
Thanks for all replies, help and comments. :D
Morgan, I know what you mean and you are absolutely right. This was just an exercise so I would understand more clearly what tangibles and intangibles are : I just invented the tangibles and intangibles in my head and posted them here.
And yes indeed, if I would get this clear thoughts, images or ideas about for instance an ATM (as you said) during a session I would dump them under the AOLs.
I'm just making sure I understand things right because I'm not a native English speaker.
Have a nice day all ! :)


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