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Ed Dames
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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2004 1:18 am Posts: 119 Location: Shackleton Crater (provisional)
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:04 am |
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Dan Mann
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Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:53 am Posts: 17 Location: Planet Earth
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
I was wondering why unconscious had a hard time describing some attributes while in session. My signal line felt jerky at times with a sense of pulling at nothing whilest in session.
it is very interesting target Ed.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:31 am |
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Norbert77
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Three people in that tilted house, and neither one of them acted startled, nor noticed it? My horse+themed yellow cake bakery might just be a metaphor for horse crap manufacturing.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:48 am |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Session work clearly depicts the target as a lifeform. It and its (serendipitous?) connection to 'Sasquatch' is...well, interesting indeed.
In April, I'll begin in situ IMAGO-ZARDOZ studies.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:13 am |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
You're going to go with the fucking video (which could have easily been faked - and has nothing to do with the target, except for context) vs. TRV blind target work!? After all these years, Norbert, what have you learned? Okay - if the target was faked, as you are suggesting, each of the sessions would have vectored directly to the the equivalent of S4 overlay! If that is the case, then point out the supporting session data, i.e., the 'film' lab and the image creators/manipulators + supporting T & I percepts - hoaxed scenario data which perforce must eclipse the alternative. Support your kneejerk assessment, or go jerk your knee!
I'm listening.
Doom
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:21 am |
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Raptor
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Joined: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:32 pm Posts: 19 Location: U.S. Mainland
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
So the target was the first photo on Ed Dames feedback post showing a moth. Correct?
I had several people staying below an inclined structure moving around and busy with each other (Aspect [A]). Then one lifeform below an inclined structure moving around itself being alone exposed to the force of nature. (Aspect [X]). People around the scene are watching (viewers of the youtube movie?). Seems the 'downmove' of the structures is noise.
Thank you for this simple but real life target with real life feedback. I learned something from it.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:19 am |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
I introduced the moth simply as a postulate, to jumpstart analysis! Does the data support it or not? How about Tinkerbell?
What type of lifeform is it - that is now the question! Determine that, first. Then turn your attention to its relationship, if any, with the site.
(I keep forgetting that you guys are ageing; your minds are not as nimble as they were 'back then' and cultural conditioning is beginning to (re)set in - I'd better lay off future enigma stuff)
Doomed
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:22 am |
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cbutter
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Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:19 pm Posts: 19
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
There is way more corroborating data supporting the reality of this phenomenon being more in alignment with its 'face-value' than of a hoax or something camera-internals-related. But that does not make it at all easier to comprehend, obviously.
I found it interesting that Dan's, Marlin's, and my own s3's are nearly identical, with Raptor's, Norbert's and nobodysfuel's looking like familiar cousins.
I would lump almost all session data into two categories: 1) the 'physics', and 2) the perception of the phenomenon.
Physics: Something with mass is deliberately utilizing the vacuum energy/structure of space-time with an energetic or magnetic-like interaction, on the molecular level, which amounts to/appears to be a highly dynamic, focused physical-visual phenomenon to our eye.
Perceptual: It seems so anomalous to our notions of what is possible, a clear understanding of 'how' might defy our best science indefinitely.
It appears simply like a peculiar reflection from an object perhaps near an open window behind the camera. However, if it were actually that simple/ordinary, our session data would reflect that! (pun intended) There's an elaborate 'chain' of events here that culminates with what we observe.
In my Philip K. Dick warp, I would speculate that it could be some kind of byproduct of radioactive decay of anti-matter, where it effectively 'builds up' energy, spontaneously or deliberately by stealing electrons from neighboring atoms, cycling it up kinetically rather than down. Maybe its trajectory is spontaneous once the initial conditions are satisfied, like a remotely activated cosmic firecracker.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:36 am |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Now we're talking! I knew there was a reason I hired you (paycheck's in the email). Btw, I have often employed a similar line of reasoning in discussions with my quantum chemist scientist-engineer son re. the subject of 'ghosts.' viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11126
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:40 am |
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Norbert77
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
There is a few things that suggest to me it is not all that it seems, not fabricated and fake, but like nobody'sfuel said it feels as if someone in is being duped. An insect, misadjusted contrast or brightness, a trick of camera lens, optical illusion or camera angle,but it suits the show and they're fine with it. Not planned, but it works. Maybe the whole site around the insect-fairy is so heavy with fakery and deceit it comes through. Maybe it is just the narration we're picking up, how Bigfoot turns into a fairy, but that's strictly a guess.
My aspect X looks like a television screen sending and receiving. I can understand the send or receive, but not both.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:17 am |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
It's a challenge Norbert, and a damned good one if it really is something 'unexplained.' If so, we're the only game in town - the world, actually - with any possibility of scrutinizing what's what - and in the process maybe even adding something new in the science conjecture department. So, RV troopers, isolate the target lifeform in your Site Template, label it as element 1, and proceed per SOP: From the top of [1] SSBP I'll be closely monitoring each of you (did you think that entity stalking you in your dreams last night was simply a demon?). Caveat emptor: Slip out of structure, and you will be immediately implanted with a mind maggot.viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11113
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:21 am |
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cbutter
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Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:19 pm Posts: 19
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Norbert, I tend to agree about the 'duped'/soporific element-- the assumption that the visual aspect of the display is itself a sentient thing is specious, IMO. The causation maybe natural and sophisticated, perhaps even a product of engineering, and the timing non-coincidental, but still just essentially chaotic and peripheral to the main idea.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:30 am |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Like I said, tough to grasp stuff - or not. Only one way to find out.
Enough preliminary discussion. Back to work.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:39 am |
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Norbert77
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Just noting that I find it strange that only Marlin and Dan labelled a s3 freehand circular as most important aspect, and most aspect X were described as objects.
Edit, I meant to say Dan and Marlin, not raptor
I have not viewed the Lochness monster but I heard it was as if the earth was remembering. Heard that about civil war enactments too. I don't know what sort of data would come up in such a target, making me wonder if this could be a similar scenario?
Anyway, proceeding to try and fight the intended target in my session. I see a lot of squiggly lines bouncing around in most sessions, I suspect that is it because of the erratic "flightpath"
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:45 pm |
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nobodysfuel
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Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 2:46 am Posts: 7 Location: Montreal, Canada
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
From the top of [1] SSBP[1] On one of the small dots: This is a thing. It is a life form who feels happy, satisfied, and content. This is a residue and a wake which is likened to an artifact (e.g. echo-type artifact). It is associated with vellum (Def’n: Vellum is prepared animal skin or "membrane", typically used as a material for writing on. Parchment is another term for this material). The situation is eventful. Something here is likened to a shore. I feel intrigued and wary. ST https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JDxW2I ... sp=sharingS3[1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BLuoW6 ... sp=sharingNobodysfuel
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:03 pm |
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nobodysfuel
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Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 2:46 am Posts: 7 Location: Montreal, Canada
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Greetings, As an aside, I would like to say that I have purposely photographed orbs before. It works well. Cheaper digital cameras work best (e.g. 3.1 Megapixel). Orbs gather and cluster, often near the ceiling, during my multi-hour meditation sessions. At various intervals, I hold up the camera and photograph the room with a flash. More obs cluster the more I meditate. Occasionally, I can even catch some of them bolting, with motion blur, when they get wise to the fact that I’m about to photograph them. Here are various orbs I've photographed over the years: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cdBQfe ... sp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1Fhpg5K ... sp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1_qFt5- ... sp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z4eoS7 ... sp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1-ZgeNg ... sp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1cVuKvk ... sp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1pz5Buh ... sp=sharingNobodysfuel
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:08 pm |
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Raptor
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Norbert77 wrote: Just noting that I find it strange that only Marlin and Raptor labelled a s3 freehand circular as most important aspect, and most aspect X were described as objects. [...] This is not quite right: I labeled two structures as most important aspects. But in describing the aspects lifeforms appeared. Could be a decoding error (self-correcting) or its telling me something I don't understand. Element [1] will be done in under 24 hours.
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Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:57 pm |
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Norbert77
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Raptor wrote: Norbert77 wrote: Just noting that I find it strange that only Marlin and Raptor labelled a s3 freehand circular as most important aspect, and most aspect X were described as objects. [...] This is not quite right: I labeled two structures as most important aspects. But in describing the aspects lifeforms appeared. Could be a decoding error (self-correcting) or its telling me something I don't understand. Element [1] will be done in under 24 hours. Yes, sorry, I meant to say Dan Mann and Marlin Turner.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:10 am |
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Norbert77
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
upload imagesElement 1 makes me feel ai-calm and ai- suspicious, while others are EI- observant and mesmerised. It is a grasshopper like insect , a lifeform being released. I had the AOL- apparition bit I wasn't sure if it was an AOL, didn't take time to question it. Whatever it is, it is being released. I also senses an S4.5- a mechanical error. I proceeded to a s6 drawing upload imagesI only got a few words, it is bumpy and flexible, an optical illusion and I get the idea that it's an insect trapped in a spider web. Then to completely fubar myself and any possible realistic approach to this target today, I went back and rewatched the video. Several times. Inna few shots there's crap on the lens, and right before the target appears it looks like stuff dangling on a spider web right across the camera, it moves with the screen. I don't think any self-respecting cameraman would let his lens get like that. The target weers right and goes for the person on the right before they switch view, not showing where it went. Of anyone had anything of value, they would have shown it more. But I did get a word "aol-apparition" while sketching the [1] dimensional words in stage 3, that makes me want to re-evaluate everything.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 2:24 am |
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Dan Mann
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Joined: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:53 am Posts: 17 Location: Planet Earth
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
So I did not have a LF on my site template, so I targeted the three things most likely to be associated with could be perceived as a LF in the work. As follows: Attachment:
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[1] is a partitioned and cordoned off ‘restricted airspace’. Something at the site is funky and exotic. There is a swirling quantified area of space that reminds me of a ‘field of nothing’ and some background noise. Something at the site is Floating and spinning fast. It is a Ubiquitous Flying/floating area of static motion. It is likened to ‘waiting to launch/go’. Attachment:
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S6 relationship diagram between [1] & [2] reads as follows. [1]>[2] is spaced out, unique, ambivalent, hard, divisive actions, and is splitting. [2] > [1]: Basic, Basis, Solid Foundation, Reaching, folding, concentrated on, environment. [1]<>[2]: Catching up to each other, out of phase, prelude, hardship, overcoming, becoming each other, and unity. Attachment:
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[2] is a divided area of space with a dimensional gateway that is inherited and constituted. It reminds me of ‘out of thin air’. There is some cloudy, murky spinning stuff that is a metered entrance and controlled flow of an input/output Port or ‘Window’. Some inert Metals are noted at he site and something is co-experienced in a way that reminds me of a ‘retina display’. Attachment:
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S6 relationship diagram between [2] & [3] reveals: [2]>[3]: advancement, carrier, ‘diplomat’, conversationalist, representative, and race against time. [3]>[2]: Solidified Experience, Avatar, Portrayal, experience, and wrapping around. [2]<>[3]: System, Supportive, Constructive, Supplementary, Coexistence, Codependence Attachment:
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[3] is an Unflappable Condition, likened to a ‘brand new baby’, unscathed. It is a tool or Implement and reminds me of a ‘Carrier Wave’ of battle tested information. This reminds me of ‘Being in two places at once’. Something at the site is veiled inside out. Attachment:
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S6 Relationship Diagram between [3]&[1] reveals: [3]>[1]: registering, Completion of tasking, and cold rebuttal. [1]>[3]: End process, End Product, Connected, Along the food chain, registered existence, unflappable, and unfettered. [3]<>[1]: Start and Finish of the process, Comingling, and Rescuing
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:01 am |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
That's some weird s***, Dan. Of course, we may actually be dealing with some weird s***...
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:25 am |
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Dan Mann
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
It is what it is. I towed the line. We shall see what else unfolds.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 5:35 pm |
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Ed Dames
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
I'd like to pause for a moment to inquire if the project's initial data supports a few postulates re. the target, or not: 1. Spurious event associated with the recording camera 2. Momentary obstruction of the camera lens, e.g., dust, insect 3. Reflected or direct light impinging upon the camera lens 4. Insect (apparently unseen) flitting across the camera's field of view 5. Transient phenomenon associated with or created by the minds of an individual or group 6. Projection (energetic) of unknown origin 7. Unknown lifeform 8. Artifact of an unknown invisible (to the human eye) phenomenon 9. Unexplained natural phenomenon Feel free to add to the list. https://medium.com/@aaronwhite/monsters ... 6a70541e66
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:30 pm |
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Marlin Turner
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
   There is a presence at the site. It is beautiful. The object is in flux and has glare. It is always on. It is sorting out and doing something. It is stunned and cautious. It is just. There is a lack of something at the site. It made me feel worried and fearful. It also made me feel surprised. The target is fixed and has measurement. The idea of stop is there. It is pretend and justified. It made me feel doubtful and nervous. It is an interpretation of some kind and exquisite. There is a cause there. The object or target is a transplant or transplanted or made from chemicals that are "make" or spew. It is binary. It is changing. Something is making.... It is changing and it has rates that are variable. The center of is present at the site. The idea of time and space is near the target. ANALYSIS A life form coming from somewhere. A artificial illusion. A construct of some kind that has a presence. It appears that there is something that is created using chemicals that is moving through a cut-out in space or time. The substance or chemical is formed and becomes alive and then is moving and going somewhere or interacting with the environment.
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Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:22 pm |
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nobodysfuel
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 Re: Project PHAETHON
Major,
Upon my cursory base session analysis, I would lean toward postulates 5, 6, and 9.
There are quite a few motion references which appear real 1. Spreading (Norbert) 2. Moving/sinking/hovering (Marlin) 3. Movement (cbutter) 4. Fast, Airborne (Dan)
There is some indication that there is a presence or consciousness behind this target 1. Like a playing child (Raptor) 2. Hey look (Marlin) 3. Enchanting (Nobodysfuel)
There seems to be something real yet ethereal about it 1. Presence associated with changing thing; remote but central (Marlin) 2. A confounding thing (cbutter)
Although we were frontloaded for follow-on work, so far, it seems to be leaning toward a partly tangible thing here.
Nobodysfuel
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